Quayle: We're talking about 2 years ago. It was ongoing, so it was between 1999 and 2000.

Here we've got one of the highest ranking Generals in the Soviet Army, coming to the United States and testifying that: "Look, these things are unaccounted for." Most of America's focus has been on radioactive materials, i.e., uranium and plutonium, and the storehouses of the former Soviet Union that kept such bad records. They really can't account for so much of it.

But the major issue we want to talk about is not so much the fact of who can build it, once they get the raw materials, but who's got control of complete devices. That's a bigger issue.

Technically and truthfully, the United States has, basically, overlooked this issue, to its own detriment.

The Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST), obviously, after 9/11 became almost a well-known, household acronym. Interestingly enough, going back to this TIME magazine article, there was, supposedly, a 10-kiloton weapon that had been planted in New York City. It then was stated that this was a false story, that we got some false information. This guy, Dragonfire, as we talked yesterday, was just. basically. a low-level fink. and not a real guy.

Like I said before, that's when I was told that Dragonfire was basically a transfer agent from the former Soviet Union, who facilitated the sale of these nuclear weapons.

Then, when governor Pataki and mayor Bloomberg got wind of this, that they had been kept in the dark, they screamed bloody murder to the Bush . administration. The Bush administration, in order, then, to basically settle the concern to both the governor of New York and the mayor of New York, pretty much promised that with any other "events"— meaning specific inter of a nuclear or biological or chemical (NBC) event, that they would "be kept in the loop".

Concurrently with that time, New York went out and actually hired a couple of former CIA guys, who were pretty highly placed, to operate their domestic intelligence division. In other words, New York City has its own domestic intelligence division, specifically designed to sort-out facts and deal with the whole issue of nuclear terrorism.

Martin: Now, as a sidebar, it was my understanding, from one person who I talk to, that there have been a number of suitcase nuclear threats, since 9/11, that have been neutralized, almost at the last minute, by a number of "black-ops" teams throughout the country.

Quayle: Right.

The deal is, I can tell you point blank, one was in Colorado Springs, several years ago. I don't know if it was NEST themselves, or any of our Delta teams. But there have been neutralizations, and obviously those are NOT going to be told to the public.

Martin: Right.

Quayle: The question is, though—and that's side-A of the coin—the backpack nukes. On the other side of the coin is when Louis Freeh was director of the FBI, he gave testimony before Congress that, during the Cold War, there were prepositioned strategic nuclear weapons.

So, concurrently with the suitcase nuke issue, that pretty much was more prevalent after the break-up of the Soviet Union. Prior to the break-up of the Soviet Union, there were pre-positioned nuclear weapons placed into the United States, and Louis Freeh admitted that in Congressional testimony, in the last year of his rule and reign.

Let's put it this way, Freeh is on record to both Congress and the Senate that those devices exist in the United States. There was no statement made by Louis Freeh to follow it up and say to the Russians: "Since we're now new friends, and supposedly have a new era of understanding, where are they?" And: "Let's dismantle them."

Martin: Another thing that comes to mind while you're talking about this, I know that our government has specific satellites that can track nuclear materials. But, can they track materials of already completed nuclear devices?

Quayle: Yes and no, it depends on the sophistication of shielding. For instance, neutron bombs can be shielded with some materials that absolutely those sensors can't pick up. Neutrons will penetrate just about anything, but there are some substances that they can't penetrate. There's also a very sophisticated electromagnetic shielding device that, basically, they couldn't pick up.

So, I guess the question is, are you asking: "Would they ALL be able to be picked up?" And the answer is, no; some yes, some no. Obviously the Russians are aware of our satellite technology and the increases in our satellite technology through espionage, so every time there is a "measure"—this is a good word—there's a "counter-measure", every time there's a counter-measure, there's a countercounter-measure; and on it goes.

Martin: How many suitcase nukes do you believe are in the United States, unaccounted for?

Quayle: In excess of 100.

Martin: Still?!

Quayle: Still. You know, it's a fascinating thing. If you remember the rhetoric, even going into this year, there are people who said these "don't exist", and that is ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS. When you've got the guy who probably knew more about this—and we have to get to Lebed's murder, too.

Lebed was killed last month in a helicopter crash. And, supposedly, his helicopter hit power lines. There were no power lines visible in the wreckage of his helicopter. His brother and others believe he was murdered.

Martin: Why is that? Because he knew too much?

Quayle: Because he knew too much. And if there was ANYBODY who knew where those things really were [nuclear explosive devices in this country], it was him. Boris Yeltsin dispatched him—or, I guess you'd say, commissioned him, or released him to, supposedly, hopefully, track them down.

Martin: That begs the question: Who would want to take- him out?

Quayle: I would say this: Moslem fundamentalists would have the most to gain by that' first. He was always considered a viable challenger to Vladimir Putin for a presidential race. You've got to understand, Siberia is a massive, massive territory and region.

Martin: Sure it is.

Quayle: It's been said that Alexander Lebed, being in control of the nuclear weapons in Siberia—there were more nuclear weapons in Siberia than any place else in the world, concentrated. So, he was a "world power", just by being a governor of Russia. Russian Generals have a LOT of power.

Martin: So, you see the threat, again, as being from Moslem extremists?

Quayle: Fundamentalists. A good example of that, the Chechnyans. You know, it had to be one of those two.

Let me say this: the story that's going around Russia was that it was either someone related to Putin, or the fact that the Chechnyan rebels most likely did it. But somebody destroyed him, killed him, assassinated him FOR WHAT HE KNEW.

Martin: That gets to something, we're not there yet, but that gets to the dead bioscientists who keep turning up.

[Editors note: According to a report from Michael Ruppert of From The Wilderness: "On October 4, 2001, a commercial jetliner traveling from Israel to Novosibirsk, Siberia, was shot down over the Black Sea by an 'errant' Ukranian surface-to-air missile, killing all on board. The missile was over 100 miles off course. Despite early news stories reporting it as a charter flight, Air Sibir 1812 was a regularly scheduled flight. According to several press reports, the plane is believed to have had as many as five passengers who were microbiologists. At the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had recently been murdered, allegedly by terrorists." And there have been a number of other "accidents" concerning the demise of such scientists—especially in the United States and England. See page 40 of last month's SPECTRUM for more on this subject.]

Quayle: And look at the correlation. We're talking about weapons of mass destruction. They just found the medical examiner in Memphis tied-up with barbed wire, who had done the autopsy on Dr. Wiley. He not only had barbed wire around him, but he also had bombs on him.

Martin: And Dr. Wiley is who?

Quayle: Dr. Wiley is the guy who is dead, who was on the bridge, who disappeared, and they said: "Oh, he probably just drove someplace." But they found him in the water a month later, one of the foremost DNA-sequencing scientists in the world.

Martin: When you were on Art Bell [May 15], you mentioned 19 scientists have been killed. Has the number gone up?

Quayle: 20.

Martin: It's now 20?

Quayle: Yes. And the interesting thing is, the most curious recent contemporary, as of a couple of days ago, was the Memphis coroner, who did the autopsy on Wiley, who was tied-up with barbed wire, and bombs were attached to his body to go off.

Now, the Memphis police are pursuing that right now, and according to local police there, there was a lot of heat from certain federal agencies to, what would you say, to quiet-up and hurry-up the investigation of Dr. Wiley, and just rule it a suicide or an accident—which, obviously, is not the case. His family, his loved ones, and others believe he did not commit suicide, nor do I, when you put him into the context of all the dead scientists—and we can run through those in a minute. Obviously someone is killing the greatest, or some of the most well-known, biological scientists and molecular biologists in the world.

Martin: And this is not just domestic, this is everywhere.

Quayle: It happened with Boris Paschenik. He was the guy who supposedly figured out how to aerosolize Ebola. He was a Russian defector. He was under the control of British intelligence when he was found "murdered". They don't call it murder. I'm calling it murder. Let's just say this: "Dead under strange circumstances." And how many "deaths under strange circumstances" before the pattern proves itself ?

Martin: Now, on a global scale, who would have the motive to take all these scientists out?

Quayle: The only ones who I can think of, right offhand, are the New World Order people who want population reduction, because these scientists would be able to genetically type, or they could find the finger prints of who is behind this. Follow me?

Martin: I do.

Quayle: The guy in Australia was working on the "Doomsday" weapon, which was an alternative to mousepox.

Martin: Did he finally develop that?

Quayle: Oh yes, the Australians came forward and said that they had developed it. And it was called "The Doomsday Weapon". I'm looking at my board with all their names on it, chronologically written.

The guy's name from Australia was Set Van Nguyen. Let me try to put this in chronological order for you. Nguyen died in an air-lock accident in Australia, was working on the Doomsday version of mousepox.

[Editors note: He was found dead in the airlock entrance to a walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory where he worked in Victoria State, Australia.] That was December 11.

December 10th, Dr. Robert Schwartz was killed. He was working on DNA sequencing of pathogenic microorganisms. He was the "occult" case, remember? Supposedly his daughter and a bunch of occult people carved a pentagram onto him? [Editors note: He was found murdered in his rural home in Loudoun County, VA.]

Martin: I'm not familiar with that.

Quayle: OK. Who's who: this guy's one of the foremost DNA sequencing specialists in the world.

Don C. Wiley was probably one of THE three or four foremost micro-biologists in the world. He was an expert on immune system response to biological weapons. He disappeared on November 16, 2001. His body was found December 20. By the way, for the record, I stated on the 16th, when I got the news he was missing, I said he's been murdered. Everybody said I was over-reacting, and I told them he was murdered.

Bottom line: now the official "spin" on it is he, quote, "either committed suicide or was blown off the bridge by a semi". But the problem with being blown off the bridge by a semi, the rail is too high, and the speed limit on the bridge, which was under construction, was only 30 miles an hour. [Editors note: He vanished, and his abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside of Memphis, TN. He supposedly "accidentally" fell over the side of the bridge after a minor car accident. Wiley was a noted Harvard University biophysics scientist and anthrax, Ebola, AIDS, herpes, and influenza expert.]

Martin: He was suicided.

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