Steve Quayle, in recent months, has been a frequent guest on Art Bell's latenight talk-radio program and for very good reason.

Steve is the very articulate author of several books, including Breathe No Evil: A Practical Guide To Surviving Biological And Chemical Terrorism, which was first published in 1996. [Editors note: This book is available through Safe-Trek Publishing, 90 SafeTrek Place, Bozeman, MT 59715; cost: $34.95, plus shipping; phone: 800-424-7870.] He has, additionally, recently completed the book Genesis 6 Giants: Master Builders Of Prehistoric And Ancient Civilizations.

Steve Quayle is the former editor and publisher of Survival Quest and Security And Survival Chronicles—monthly newsletters which dealt with perilous events and how to prepare for them.

For the past seven years, Quayle has articulated the need for Americans to be aware of bio-terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

Upon publication of Breathe No Evil, Quayle upstaged mainstream media by years, spelling-out detailed effects of bioterrorism. Prior to publication of Breathe No Evil, Quayle went on record predicting a major chemical or biological attack in a large world city. Three weeks later, the Aum Shrinrikyo cult released nerve gas in the Tokyo subway.

Steve continues to shout from the roof tops his concern for the massive loss of life due to lack of civil defense and preparation in the public and private sectors. Breathe No Evil was written as an antidote for fear, informing people of the necessary steps to take prior to biological and chemical terrorism.

He was the first to go public with "red mercury"—a transmutated element that makes softball-sized neutron weapons feasible. Quayle also spelled-out in serious detail, PRIOR to Russian General Alexander Lebed's confirming statements, that more than 100 suitcase nuclear weapons are missing.

In 1999, Quayle stated that a new terrorist crusade would begin, and that radical Islam would launch the world into World War III.

Steve is uncannily accurate in his warnings concerning hybrid and genetically engineered viruses, and the danger they pose to humans.

My initial conversation with Steve Quayle, on June 6, 2002, was "merely" to discuss the content of an interview scheduled for the following day. For obvious reasons of Steve's expertise, I've elected to share some of that initial conversation to open the subject here:

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Quayle: I want to really cover Lebed's murder, Alexander Lebed, because he testified before Congress. He's probably one of the only guys who really knew where they [nuclear weapons] were at, and I don't believe that the nuclear weapons are outside the country waiting to come in; I believe they're already in the country.

Martin: They've been here for a long time.

Quayle: During the Cold War, Spetsnaz's pre-positioned nuclear weapons, too, ok? But also the actual "backpack" and "suitcase" things.

Martin: That's the main thrust that I want to get into with you, absolutely. In fact, I keep hearing different numbers. In the last 10 years, I've heard everything from 100 to 200. Yesterday, one of my sources told me that many are accounted for, except for a small number. I was wondering if that was anywhere near being true.

Quayle: Not true, not true at all. Col. Stanislav Lunev—I think the last numbers he claimed were 168 "deployed". I'm pretty familiar with NEST (Nuclear Emergency Search Team's) procedures. For instance, I know that, according to my sources—my sources are nameless guys, as I've been doing talk-radio, Rick, over the years. I'll just give you a little background, so you can formulate questions. But a lot of the guys who I've been dealing with over the years have, basically, been "blue-light" guys. Bluelight are our equivalent "backpack" nuke placement teams.

So, I have pretty good information. I've been told, by these guys, that there are 8 [nukes] on the West Coast alone.

A couple of months ago when TIME magazine carried the story about the 10kiloton bomb in New York, they said they got a tip from Dragonfire. Dragonfire is a Russian arms, nuclear weapons dealer, not an official one. The explanation, they explained it away. When I heard Dragonfire, I had heard that in previous conversations.

Dragonfire was not just a local, disreputable "snitch" that they blew-off.

So, the 10-kiloton weapon—now, I'll tell you what, Pataki [NY governor] and Mayor Bloomberg, they found out after the fact that this was an "alert". That's why they hired the CIA guys that they've hired to run, basically, New York's intelligence division—because the Federal Government wasn't honest with them.

About a month after that whole TIME magazine article, Pataki and Bloomberg were called by the White House. The reason they were called by the White House, they had worked out an agreement with Bush that Bush agreed to "level" with them, in the case of a nuclear alert for New York. It's my contention that there ARE nuclear weapons already placed in New York.

Martin: There have to be.

Quayle: There have to be.

But let me say this: the reason and this is something that no one is talking about—Dragonfire, according to one of the people I interviewed, and for the record, if I don't know names, I'll tell you I don't know names because a lot of people will just show-up at my office. I'm in Bozeman, Montana. They will literally drive, because they're so frightened to talk on the phones, and these are guys who have been in "the community" [the intelligence community], so I don't know their names. But the bottom line is that Dragonfire was always revealed to me to be the nuclear weapons broker. Not the biggest guy that they're still trying to locate; this was a subordinate who handles the actual dissemination of those weapons to the highest bidder.

So, when I heard Dragonfire, I knew it was real; even though they downplayed it.

Martin: What is the tonage of the suitcase nukes?

Quayle: Most of them are anywhere from 1 kiloton, which would almost be considered "tactical", to about 10 kiloton.

Martin: And what kind of damage can that do, in a metropolitan area?

Quayle: In a metropolitan area, a 1kiloton device is pretty well going to take out everything within about a half-mile radius (at least). I mean, the buildings and everything are going to go down (except concrete buildings), but everyone is going to die.

Martin: Have you seen The Sum Of All Fears?

Quayle: Yeah.

Martin: How accurate was that?

Quayle: Not very accurate at all. The initial radiation after a nuclear explosion would be 5,000 reds an hour. It only takes 500, cumulative dose, to kill you.

So, in essence, everybody would have been dead' even those guys in the suits.

Martin: I figured that.

Quayle: Yeah. Gamma radiation is ionizing, which means that it penetrates everything except heavy mass, like lead and concrete. And so, the bottom line is, The Sum Of All Fears is pretty bogus, from that position. And the fact that the shock wave—I mean, you're talking about a pressure wave that's just massive; that close, just from the time he was headed to the auditorium.

In The Sum Of All Fears, the most discouraging thing, to me, was the lack of reality. You could not have gone near that. Especially, because you're talking— a half-life decays every hour—so, if after the initial explosion it's 5,000 reds, and it takes 1/1Oth of that to kill you—

Martin: I figured the doctor, the lead actor, everybody would be dead.

Quayle: Everybody would be dead. And the point is, too, depending on the burst of the weapon, the kilotonage of it, you're talking about thermal radiation, in other words, 2nd- and 3rd-degree burns.

When I'm talking "backpack" nukes, those are what I'm talking about.

When we're talking about "prepositioned" nuclear weapons, those are in the megatonage range. That's a whole different story when we get up in the megatonage range. Then you're talking some fantastic numbers.

I can point you to my Internet website. Go to www.stevequayle.com and click on "news alert" and go to nuclear/biological/ chemical. There,- up under the bomb, there is something called "map a blast". You can put in a l-megaton or a 25megaton and see the fallout. They didn't do kilotons, but what I'm saying is, the megaton weapons are the ones that Louis Freeh admitted were in this country. Those are the ones that are around dams, power plants, hydroelectric facilities.

Martin: I was going to talk to you about dams.

Quayle: And so the situation is, we'll go through that whole thing. And then we can talk, too, we'll get into biological warfare—in Moros, Pakistan, is appears that Ebolapox, which some people call hemorrhagic smallpox, has broken out.

Martin: Already?!

Quayle: Yes, already. That's on my website.

And, again, the "map-a-blast", when you do the article, that will be a good thing to refer people to my website. What's totally disgusting to me, you'd have to have a reprobate Defense Department to think that the citizens don't need some form of protection. But you hear that the Congress is planning to move some distance West of Washington, D.C., to carry out their Congressional and Senatorial duties. The bureaucrats always have bomb shelters. But we poor, dumb citizens are told: "Gee, you don't need them." And it's totally contrary to reality. [ would say the most functionally exacting and best country in the world for citizen protection is, obviously, Switzerland.

Just so you know, I've been in the Civil Defense business for 30 years.

And then, we also want to talk about India and Pakistan. This thing is being generated from behind the scenes. China is backing Pakistan. India has a billion people, ok? China has got a billion, too. The last thing China wants is to allow India to go uninterrupted in its nuclear weapons development, and long-range missile development plans, with the Agnie-III, because that puts all of China under India's potential blast. And obviously, China is not anywhere close to having—when I say "rocket scientists", India has BRILLIANT, brilliant computer people. 'When we had Y2K, we brought all their scientists over here and trained them. They've got some smart people.

And, remember—most people don't realize it—India was working on nuclear weapons back in l 948. The whole situation with Pakistan is that Pakistan could sustain 72 hours of conventional warfare, and then they've got to go nuclear.

Now let's proceed directly to my "official" interview with expert Steve Quayle on 6/7102:

Martin: I'd like to cover the domestic threat—nuclear, biological, and chemical. I'd like to cover India and Pakistan, and the global picture. I'd like to cover the suitcase nukes. And I'd like to cover the dead bio-scientists, and what's up with that.

Let's start on the domestic front, and let's start with nuclear, and then move to chemical and biological.

Quayle: Let's start out with the Representative Curt Weldon Committee. He held Senate Intelligence hearings with Alexander Lebed. Alexander Lebed was in charge of Boris Yeltsin's security, prior to basically becoming the Governor of Siberia. He's one of the highest ranking Generals. Lebed was responsible for bringing a truce, initially, to the Chechnya revolution. Lebed came to the United States and testified about the disappearance of nuclear weapons.

Now, I'm going to talk about two words. I'm going to talk about "tactical" suitcase nukes, and I'm going to talk about "strategic" nuclear warheads.

We're going to talk about tactical nuclear weapons—that's a backpack or a suitcase nuke. He came to the Congressional Committee and basically stated that there were l 36 nuclear weapons, backpack type, the Russian small-yield—meaning between l-5 kiloton—weapons UNACCOUNTED FOR. After he testified, pretty much nothing was said or done. As a matter of fact, and this is my opinion, I don't think Congress understood the ramifications of what he was saying. Representative Weldon, in my opinion, is a hero; he does, and did.

Martin: What year are we talking about?

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Quayle: We're talking about 2 years ago. It was ongoing, so it was between 1999 and 2000.

Here we've got one of the highest ranking Generals in the Soviet Army, coming to the United States and testifying that: "Look, these things are unaccounted for." Most of America's focus has been on radioactive materials, i.e., uranium and plutonium, and the storehouses of the former Soviet Union that kept such bad records. They really can't account for so much of it.

But the major issue we want to talk about is not so much the fact of who can build it, once they get the raw materials, but who's got control of complete devices. That's a bigger issue.

Technically and truthfully, the United States has, basically, overlooked this issue, to its own detriment.

The Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST), obviously, after 9/11 became almost a well-known, household acronym. Interestingly enough, going back to this TIME magazine article, there was, supposedly, a 10-kiloton weapon that had been planted in New York City. It then was stated that this was a false story, that we got some false information. This guy, Dragonfire, as we talked yesterday, was just. basically. a low-level fink. and not a real guy.

Like I said before, that's when I was told that Dragonfire was basically a transfer agent from the former Soviet Union, who facilitated the sale of these nuclear weapons.

Then, when governor Pataki and mayor Bloomberg got wind of this, that they had been kept in the dark, they screamed bloody murder to the Bush . administration. The Bush administration, in order, then, to basically settle the concern to both the governor of New York and the mayor of New York, pretty much promised that with any other "events"— meaning specific inter of a nuclear or biological or chemical (NBC) event, that they would "be kept in the loop".

Concurrently with that time, New York went out and actually hired a couple of former CIA guys, who were pretty highly placed, to operate their domestic intelligence division. In other words, New York City has its own domestic intelligence division, specifically designed to sort-out facts and deal with the whole issue of nuclear terrorism.

Martin: Now, as a sidebar, it was my understanding, from one person who I talk to, that there have been a number of suitcase nuclear threats, since 9/11, that have been neutralized, almost at the last minute, by a number of "black-ops" teams throughout the country.

Quayle: Right.

The deal is, I can tell you point blank, one was in Colorado Springs, several years ago. I don't know if it was NEST themselves, or any of our Delta teams. But there have been neutralizations, and obviously those are NOT going to be told to the public.

Martin: Right.

Quayle: The question is, though—and that's side-A of the coin—the backpack nukes. On the other side of the coin is when Louis Freeh was director of the FBI, he gave testimony before Congress that, during the Cold War, there were prepositioned strategic nuclear weapons.

So, concurrently with the suitcase nuke issue, that pretty much was more prevalent after the break-up of the Soviet Union. Prior to the break-up of the Soviet Union, there were pre-positioned nuclear weapons placed into the United States, and Louis Freeh admitted that in Congressional testimony, in the last year of his rule and reign.

Let's put it this way, Freeh is on record to both Congress and the Senate that those devices exist in the United States. There was no statement made by Louis Freeh to follow it up and say to the Russians: "Since we're now new friends, and supposedly have a new era of understanding, where are they?" And: "Let's dismantle them."

Martin: Another thing that comes to mind while you're talking about this, I know that our government has specific satellites that can track nuclear materials. But, can they track materials of already completed nuclear devices?

Quayle: Yes and no, it depends on the sophistication of shielding. For instance, neutron bombs can be shielded with some materials that absolutely those sensors can't pick up. Neutrons will penetrate just about anything, but there are some substances that they can't penetrate. There's also a very sophisticated electromagnetic shielding device that, basically, they couldn't pick up.

So, I guess the question is, are you asking: "Would they ALL be able to be picked up?" And the answer is, no; some yes, some no. Obviously the Russians are aware of our satellite technology and the increases in our satellite technology through espionage, so every time there is a "measure"—this is a good word—there's a "counter-measure", every time there's a counter-measure, there's a countercounter-measure; and on it goes.

Martin: How many suitcase nukes do you believe are in the United States, unaccounted for?

Quayle: In excess of 100.

Martin: Still?!

Quayle: Still. You know, it's a fascinating thing. If you remember the rhetoric, even going into this year, there are people who said these "don't exist", and that is ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS. When you've got the guy who probably knew more about this—and we have to get to Lebed's murder, too.

Lebed was killed last month in a helicopter crash. And, supposedly, his helicopter hit power lines. There were no power lines visible in the wreckage of his helicopter. His brother and others believe he was murdered.

Martin: Why is that? Because he knew too much?

Quayle: Because he knew too much. And if there was ANYBODY who knew where those things really were [nuclear explosive devices in this country], it was him. Boris Yeltsin dispatched him—or, I guess you'd say, commissioned him, or released him to, supposedly, hopefully, track them down.

Martin: That begs the question: Who would want to take- him out?

Quayle: I would say this: Moslem fundamentalists would have the most to gain by that' first. He was always considered a viable challenger to Vladimir Putin for a presidential race. You've got to understand, Siberia is a massive, massive territory and region.

Martin: Sure it is.

Quayle: It's been said that Alexander Lebed, being in control of the nuclear weapons in Siberia—there were more nuclear weapons in Siberia than any place else in the world, concentrated. So, he was a "world power", just by being a governor of Russia. Russian Generals have a LOT of power.

Martin: So, you see the threat, again, as being from Moslem extremists?

Quayle: Fundamentalists. A good example of that, the Chechnyans. You know, it had to be one of those two.

Let me say this: the story that's going around Russia was that it was either someone related to Putin, or the fact that the Chechnyan rebels most likely did it. But somebody destroyed him, killed him, assassinated him FOR WHAT HE KNEW.

Martin: That gets to something, we're not there yet, but that gets to the dead bioscientists who keep turning up.

[Editors note. According to a report from Michael Ruppert of From The Wilderness: "On October 4, 2001, a commercial jetliner traveling from Israel to Novosibirsk, Siberia, was shot down over the Black Sea by an 'errant' Ukranian surface-to-air missile, killing all on board. The missile was over 100 miles off course. Despite early news stories reporting it as a charter flight, Air Sibir 1812 was a regularly scheduled flight. According to several press reports, the plane is believed to have had as many as five passengers who were microbiologists. At the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had recently been murdered, allegedly by terrorists." And there have been a number of other "accidents" concerning the demise of such scientists—especially in the United States and England. See page 40 of last month's SPECTRUM for more on this subject.]

Quayle: And look at the correlation. We're talking about weapons of mass destruction. They just found the medical examiner in Memphis tied-up with barbed wire, who had done the autopsy on Dr. Wiley. He not only had barbed wire around him, but he also had bombs on him.

Martin: And Dr. Wiley is who?

Quayle: Dr. Wiley is the guy who is dead, who was on the bridge, who disappeared, and they said: "Oh, he probably just drove someplace." But they found him in the water a month later, one of the foremost DNA-sequencing scientists in the world.

Martin: When you were on Art Bell [May 15], you mentioned 19 scientists have been killed. Has the number gone up?

Quayle: 20.

Martin: It's now 20?

Quayle: Yes. And the interesting thing is, the most curious recent contemporary, as of a couple of days ago, was the Memphis coroner, who did the autopsy on Wiley, who was tied-up with barbed wire, and bombs were attached to his body to go off.

Now, the Memphis police are pursuing that right now, and according to local police there, there was a lot of heat from certain federal agencies to, what would you say, to quiet-up and hurry-up the investigation of Dr. Wiley, and just rule it a suicide or an accident—which, obviously, is not the case. His family, his loved ones, and others believe he did not commit suicide, nor do I, when you put him into the context of all the dead scientists—and we can run through those in a minute. Obviously someone is killing the greatest, or some of the most well-known, biological scientists and molecular biologists in the world.

Martin: And this is not just domestic, this is everywhere.

Quayle: It happened with Boris Paschenik. He was the guy who supposedly figured out how to aerosolize Ebola. He was a Russian defector. He was under the control of British intelligence when he was found "murdered". They don't call it murder. I'm calling it murder. Let's just say this: "Dead under strange circumstances." And how many "deaths under strange circumstances" before the pattern proves itself ?

Martin: Now, on a global scale, who would have the motive to take all these scientists out?

Quayle: The only ones who I can think of, right offhand, are the New World Order people who want population reduction, because these scientists would be able to genetically type, or they could find the finger prints of who is behind this. Follow me?

Martin: I do.

Quayle: The guy in Australia was working on the "Doomsday" weapon, which was an alternative to mousepox.

Martin: Did he finally develop that?

Quayle: Oh yes, the Australians came forward and said that they had developed it. And it was called "The Doomsday Weapon". I'm looking at my board with all their names on it, chronologically written.

The guy's name from Australia was Set Van Nguyen. Let me try to put this in chronological order for you. Nguyen died in an air-lock accident in Australia, was working on the Doomsday version of mousepox. [Editors note: He was found dead in the airlock entrance to a walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory where he worked in Victoria State, Australia.] That was December 11.

December 10th, Dr. Robert Schwartz was killed. He was working on DNA sequencing of pathogenic microorganisms. He was the "occult" case, remember? Supposedly his daughter and a bunch of occult people carved a pentagram onto him? [Editors note: He was found murdered in his rural home in Loudoun County, VA.]

Martin: I'm not familiar with that.

Quayle: OK. Who's who: this guy's one of the foremost DNA sequencing specialists in the world.

Don C. Wiley was probably one of THE three or four foremost micro-biologists in the world. He was an expert on immune system response to biological weapons. He disappeared on November 16, 2001. His body was found December 20. By the way, for the record, I stated on the 16th, when I got the news he was missing, I said he's been murdered. Everybody said I was over-reacting, and I told them he was murdered.

Bottom line: now the official "spin" on it is he, quote, "either committed suicide or was blown off the bridge by a semi". But the problem with being blown off the bridge by a semi, the rail is too high, and the speed limit on the bridge, which was under construction, was only 30 miles an hour. [Editors note: He vanished, and his abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside of Memphis, TN. He supposedly "accidentally" fell over the side of the bridge after a minor car accident. Wiley was a noted Harvard University biophysics scientist and anthrax, Ebola, AIDS, herpes, and influenza expert.]

Martin: He was suicided.

Quayle: Yeah, he was suicided. And the medical examiner for him in Memphis, Tennessee, is the one who was tied-up with barbed wire, and bombs hooked to his body, just several days ago. I forget his name, right now.

On November 23, 2001, Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, a Russian defector who was tied-in with British MI-6, which is [very] Secret Service. He is a pathologist who figured out how to not only capsulate and aerosolize Ebola, and the most virulent viruses known to man. He worked with Dr. Ken Alabeck. [Editors note: At age 64, Pasechnik was found dead in Wiltshire, England, not far from his home.]

On November 24, one day later, there was a Swiss air crash in which you had three top Israeli bio-scientists killed, who were the head of hematology or blood, public health officials, and their expertise is pretty much known around the world. That's three of them.

I'm trying to keep this in somewhat of a chronological order. I'm looking at my whole board here.

We'll go right to Benito Que, Miami Medical School, working on infectious diseases, a scientist. He was found clubbed to dead on November 12. He died December 6. He was in a coma. He was beat-up outside his laboratory, supposedly by 4 thugs with baseball bats.

Martin: Just roughly, of the 20 scientists, how many have died in the United States?

Quayle: Half. On October 4, five Israeli scientists died on the way to Novosibirsk, Siberia, in the aircraft shot down over the Black Sea. Novosibirsk is interesting because they were enroute to some research facilities there. That is one of the head areas where they dealt with chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons development.

[Editors note: That's also a very secret and specialized location for the development of much more advanced "Tesla technologies" such as might be used for mind control and to remotely "broadcast" nasty bugs "over the airwaves" in a manner of speaking]

Ok, let's go into February 2002 now. Ian Langford he was at the University of East Anglica. Another world-class scientist, his murder was ruled "suicide".

Martin: Was he an American?

Quayle: He was British.

[Editors note: On February 11, Ian Langford, 40, was found dead in his home in Norwich, England.]

February 9, in Russia: Victor Korshunov was a bio-vaccine and bio-weapons designer who taught at the Russian State Medical University. He was an expert on worldwide intestinal bacteria. So, when you see that, that would lead you to believe he was developing stuff that would be food- or water-carried pathogens. [Editors note: Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street.]

These guys ALL died.

February 26, in the United States, Tania Holzmayer was murdered. She, supposedly, was murdered by a fellow microbiologist, Mathew Huang.

The next one was David Win Williams. He was, supposedly, hit by a car. He was an interesting guy. He was an astrobiologist. He was killed by a car while jogging. He studied outer-space microbes. In other words, if you were to decide what could grow in outer space, or what from outer space could grow here. Do you remember that old movie The Andromeda Strain by Michael Crichton?

This is the guy. David Win Williams.

The other guy is Steven Mostow, killed in a plane wreck in Denver; he was an expert on influenza and bio-terrorism.

[Editors note: For even more extensive information about Dr. Benito Que, Dr Don C. Wiley, Dr. Robert M. Schwartz, and Dr. Set Van Nguyen, refer back to the May 2002 issue of The SPECTRUM, page 57, Gordon Thomas s article titled "Ml-6/CIA Probe Into Death Of Top Scientists In BioDefence Secrets Programs: Were They Victims Of China s Secret Intelligence Service For Refusing To Cooperate On Doomsday Weapons?"]

Martin: Doesn't bode well for being a bio-scientist today.

Quayle: Especially in those research areas!

Now, one of the interesting things I told Art Bell, the first time I was on his show, my concern was that when we were talking about Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever that had broken out in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran—

Martin: Which is really scary.

Quayle: Right. I told him, the concern I have—we were also talking about Ebola and Gabon—I went on record' and this is kind-of a good call, and I thank God for it. I went on record as saying I would certainly, if I were the "powers that be", be monitoring the villages that broke-out in, because it wouldn't surprise me to see some people go down there and take samples.

Well, no sooner had I said that when, two weeks later, there was a group of Arabs who flew-in, in complete Level-4 suits— Level-4 meaning positive-pressure suits with portable refrigeration containers— and took body fluids from the dead.

Martin: Sick!

Quayle: Not only sick, but unbelievable. What people don't understand is, there have been so many of these people dead' or dying if you saw this, there is NO WAY these deaths are accidental. Especially when you look at the compression of time. We're talking from October 2001, to February 2002.

Martin: This is a HUGE story!

Quayle: Oh, this is beyond that! I'll tell you something: in my opinion, it's not just because it's my thing, this is SO BIG! IT IS SO BIG!

Martin: When we talk about the nuclear threat, and the chemical, and biological threat, the biological is the most deadly.

Quayle: Well, the biological will not only be the most deadly, but it will be the most psychologically devastating.

Martin: Right, and the most uncontrollable. At least with nuclear you know where the "zone" is. With biological, you have mobility factors creeping in, where people can be in one place and travel to another. It's just horrific, beyond description, in my opinion. It's hard to do a story like this one without becoming a complete paranoid; and also, without creating a great deal of fear and panic.

Quayle: I've got news for you: I'm accused of being a "panic monger". I tell people, I'm on record' and you must make this point: I was the guy who said, prior to the Tokyo nerve-gas release, which was a chemical weapon, Sarin, that a major event would happen in a major city of the world, within 4 weeks, and it happened' to the day. I didn't know where, but I knew it was coming. The reason I knew it was coming was because I was interviewing people who told me just how much crap was out there being sold by former Russian scientists.

You've got to understand, the Russian nuclear scientists—and obviously The Sum Of All Fears shows you a pretty good "Hollywood" adaptation of guys who used to work for the Soviet Union in their weapons development, out on the market, selling their talents to the highest bidders.

Martin: What should we be looking for? As you look at the world scene, obviously India and Pakistan are "hot" right now. But so is the U.S.

Quayle: It doesn't do any good, Rick, to have smallpox vaccination for, let's say, one variant form of smallpox, if you've got 61 others. And if you've got hemmorhagic smallpox, which is the combination of Ebola and smallpox, that has been genetically altered, then you've got mortality rates that are up to the 70-80% realm.

[Editor's note: Remember Dr. Len Horowitz's serious warning about the smallpox vaccination scam in last month 's SPECTRUM. ]

Martin: Well, and there are those who believe that vaccines, anyway, will kill you.

Quayle: I'm one of those.

Martin: I am, too.

Quayle: Yeah. Someone said to me, would I take a smallpox vaccine? I said: "No way. I'd go into self-imposed exile." That's my statement to that.

Martin: There certainly is a school of thought that the United States is moving toward mandatory vaccinations, at some point, and there are those who also say that will be the time that people are "chipped", and those who resist will be incarcerated.

I don't see that as being all that far-out.

Quayle: No, I don't either. Remember, Health & Human Services, Tommy Thompson, made the statement that there's a dose of smallpox vaccine "with everyone's name and number on it".

Martin: Now THAT'S scary!

Quayle: That IS scary! You know, this breaks my heart to have to say this stuff.

But again, I wrote the book Breathe No Evil before this stuff was on anybody's radar screen.

So, again, I want you to make that point, so people don't think I'm trying to capitalize on fear to sell my book. That's not it, at all. It's just, I guess, when you've got foresight, you've got the ability to project this stuff. The bottom line is, people are going to become even more frightened—because then that gives me credibility, then I'm even more to be feared. You follow me?

Martin: Yes.

Quayle: Getting back to what's going on, just in the last several months the Army has been doing aerial spraying tests in the Gulf Coast, in the Florida area, and it's panicked and angered the Florida Keys residents. The Army admitted to that aerial spraying test.

Now, also, we've had an outbreak of "black water" in the Florida region, actually in the Gulf Coast, and around some of the Florida region, where everything is dying in the ocean. The question is: Is there a cause and effect between both the Army's aerial spraying tests, or this spray-plane incident that happened on the Mississippi, that seemingly got lost. Are you familiar with that incident?

Martin: No.

Quayle: Some people on barges said that they watched spray planes dumping powder into the mouth of the Mississippi. They called the FBI, and the FBI didn't do anything about it. [Seems to be a chronic problem.] But, after that, the "black water" started to appear.

For instance, if you wanted to spray everything in the oceans, you would come up with some type of a biological agent that would begin to annihilate the phytoplankton, which is the lowest rung on the food-chain ladder.

Martin: The foundation.

Quayle: The foundation, that's a better word.

I'm suggesting that, not only do these [New World Order] people have a plan to kill-off a lot of people, but they have a plan to kill-off the ability to feed the people. I think it's something like 75% of the world's population lives off the ocean. That means they are in close proximity, or eat protein out of the ocean. So, understand this: I believe the New World Order boys want to kill-off 5% billion people—that's what they've said.

Martin: They're on record.

Quayle: And that's something to refer to in your article.

Martin: Sure.

Quayle: Another clue is the racespecific and genetic-specific nature of some of these weapons systems. Let me give you the name of a guy who's been in the news. You can go on the BBC and type in this name on the Internet, and you'll get the whole background. The name is: Wouter Basson. He's known as "Dr. Death" in South Africa, and he was working on race-specific biological pathogens.

Martin: I've heard about that.

Quayle: The British Ministry of Defense stated that between 1940-1980 they ran over 100 different tests of germs on the British citizens.

Martin: Porton Down has been busy for a long time.

Quayle: And' by the way, I'm on record as stating that both Mad Cow and the virulent form of Hoof-and-Mouth Disease, both came from Porton Down, and they were intentional releases.

Martin: That would make sense.

Quayle: Also, in Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD), in the United States, spreading through the deer and elk populations of the midwest, and the Rocky Mountains, I believe THAT was genetically engineered.

The whole thing with Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE)— both CWDs and BSEs are called TSEs; they're transmissible spongiform encephalopathies. And the deal is, we, the United States, sent our people down to New Guinea 40 years ago, when the headhunters were dying of Kuru. They would eat the brain of the vanquished victims. This is kind-of gross, but then they would come down with it.

We sent a bunch of our people down there and cultivated that. And they try and go back and say: "Oh, it was in this country a long time before that."

Well, first of all, too, Alzheimer's patients and Parkinson's Disease, I believe a LOT of them are TSE. There was a Boston medical school test that was done, and I think when it was done, 20 out of 100 brains were found to have the TSE.

Martin: I think Len Horowitz would agree with you.

Quayle: Len's a friend of mine. And, by the way, the test for TSE in humans, and CWD in animals, has to be done at an autopsy. The person has to be dead' so you can go cut out their brain.

Now, they may have some new system, supposedly, or some new investigative techniques to identify it, but you know, that's a mixed bag because you hear they do, but then you talk to them and they say they don't.

Martin: The usual. [Laughter]

Quayle: For instance, in Wisconsin, we're talking about 15,000 deer having to be destroyed. In Colorado, there have been hunters who have died from CWD. And they claim it doesn't jump from one species to another; in other words, they're claiming it's not transgenic. I'm claiming IT IS.

Martin: Again, dangerous stuff.

Quayle: The whole anthrax attack that was on Senator Tom Daschle's [D-SD] office, I said it wasn't domestic, meaning localized, right-wing fanatics, because that had I trillion spores per gram. That's unheard of. That's the most sophisticated' weaponized and aerosolized version of anthrax ever designed—1 trillion spores per gram.

In my book Breathe No Evil, on page 46, I talked about the American Stamp Collectors' society being concerned that the stamp glue, or glue on the envelope that seals, that this could be a growing medium for Anthrax spores.

And, now, they still are trying to figure out where it is. And I said: "It's the stamp and the seal."

Martin: What do you think is going to happen next?

Quayle: What am I looking for?

Martin: The next "incident".

Quayle: I believe that it's going to be a "simultaneous" type of thing.

That is, I don't believe it will be a single incident. I believe it will be multiple incidents. Given the fact that nuclear power plants are so vulnerable, I think these guys have already pretty much demonstrated that vulnerability and ease are very much in their "methodology".

I would say that, given the lack of correct, protective measures being taken by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (them whining about not having the budget, etc.), I'd say that a "dirty" bomb, meaning either conventional explosives blowing-up a nuclear power plant, or a radiological bomb, are probably the most likely scenarios in the near-term, from that standpoint.

From a biological standpoint, I think that these guys are going to hit us with CCHF. CCHF is Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever.

Now, I'll take you to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. I believe that, basically, that's what happened there. Typically they claim that it can be transferred from tick to animal to humans, ok? But the point that I'm making is, some of these areas are so vastly remote, and so separated, that no tick, no animal, and no human came into contact with each other.

I believe it was a "trial test" to see the rate of spread' the time of spread' and the degree of spread. In other words, it was a biological weapons test, done on live people, in a very remote part of the world. And that's what I believe we're headed for. I believe we're headed for some combination.

First of all, I think we're going to get hit with something VERY CONTAGIOUS, like a genetically altered form of smallpox, ok? I really believe that. Whether it is Ebolapox or Mousepox or something, it will be smallpox plus something else—that there absolutely is no vaccine for.

Martin: Is there any immune system mechanism for fighting this?

Quayle: Even in that, the best fight that everyone has is to build-up the immune system, because you don't get 100% mortality rate with any of this stuff. The difference seems to be that the people who have the strongest immune systems fare the best.

By the way, I'm convinced there was purpose behind the Army's aerial spraying test in the Florida Keys. The Florida Keys have a very large gay population, and one of the things that no one has put forth is—

Martin: Right, they're already suppressed; their immune systems are already suppressed.

Quayle: What an ultimate laboratory for suppressed immune systems. Do you follow my thinking?

Martin: I do.

Quayle: Because the homosexual population down there already has compromised immune systems. That's the only thing that makes sense. Why would they, specifically, do it in the Keys?

Martin: The whole thing is just so sick; and yet, that's the New World Order agenda.

Quayle: And it goes beyond even this. I mean, when we say sick, I use the word diabolical, in its truest sense: El Diablo, the Devil. This is total contempt for the human race by something, and I believe that something is supra-natural with just a complete hatred for mankind.

And I think-and I'd like you to quote me on this—that never before in history have the words of Jesus been so pronounced: "Except the days be shortened, there'd be no flesh left alive." Because these guys are absolutely planning, by their own writings and testimony, to lessen the planet by 5-1/2 billion people.

By the way, I see the Human Genome Project as incredibly dangerous. Everyone is hailing it as such a wonderful thing, but I think there is a sinister side to it, too.

Martin: There has to be.

Quayle: By typing the Human Genome, then they can develop anything they want to kill anybody, anywhere, anytime. They could even put in a biological pathogen that could be activated in a field of specific electro-magnetic radiation. In other words, they press a button and it activates, and the person is dead within hours.

[Editors note: This is certainly one of the more suspicious possibilities ascribed to HAARP-type systems. Keep in mind that the New World Order misfits want to reduce the population down to an easily MANAGEABLE size. That implies the application of technologies to essentially robotize that remaining smaller population. Thus you can assume it is an equally critical agenda item to develop some advanced mind-control techniques perhaps utilizing such electromagnetically induced adjustments to brain DNA. The absolute arrogance of this New World Order gang is exceeded only by their stupidity about how resilient is God's engineering of His Creations. ]

Martin: Right. So what's the good news?

Quayle: The good news is, and I mean there is good news! And the good news is, number one, people who don't live in cities have a very small chance of being infected. If they can cut their exposure by isolating themselves away from large population centers, I think they have the best chance of surviving.

Number two, there are things people can do. They can build themselves "safe rooms" in their houses, or some kind of a shelter, in which you positive-pressure the inside of the shelter, but you're bringing in filtered air, with an air filter that can, basically, kill all the biological pathogens. And you may have to stay in that realm for up to, say, 40 days.

[Editors note: For example, you may obtain more information about a simple nuclear and bio-chemical "safe room " for under $2, 000 at the www.americansaferoom.com Internet website.]

But, I think the point is, practical civil defense is still the most viable way of protecting Americans. And the government has NO civil defense, NONE, ZERO! And I think that's the greatest failure in history, and I think that history will record that the United States had a death wish, or did not care enough for their population to defend them.

There is no way that antibiotics will work against viruses—end of story. There is no way that the Federal Government, under the most extreme panic and peril, could even begin to try and control a population that's out of control. And so, my thing is, I have a statement: I WANT PEOPLE TO BE WHEREVER EVERYONE ELSE ISN'T.

In other words, you don't want to be in downtown Los Angeles when something goes off; you want to be away.

For the record, you will have to stop the minute one of these biological weapons is released in any place. All, ALL aircraft transportation will come to a halt, because there's nothing worse than somebody getting on an airplane infected. And that's my real fear. These guys could infect themselves with this stuff and' basically, just walk through an airport, and everybody in the airport would be infected that they come into contact with, or disperse it throughout the country. That's the scariest scenario I know of.

Martin: It's like 12 Monkeys, the movie.

Quayle: Yep.

Martin: How real do you think the nuclear threat is, domestically?

Quayle: I think the domestic nuclear threat is very real. The head of one of the highest ranking Chinese intelligence officials defected [Colonel Xu Junping] some months ago, and said that China is sneaking both nuclear and biological weapons into America. It was Colonel Xu Junping, Director of Strategy, in China's Defense Ministry for the past 5 years. He told, specifically, that they are bringing in nuclear and biological weapons.

Now, remember this: China has just, in the last couple weeks, been given access to all of Russia's former bases in Cuba. Did you know that?

Martin: No, I did not.

Quayle: Cuba has some incredibly extensive bio-weapons labs. And no matter what Fidel says, and Jimmy Carter. Here's the deal: Rick, in this article, you should run through the defectors. Get the information on Xu Junping from Gordon Thomas. This is the biggest story in the world, and no one picked it up. I won't say

[Rick Martin: Let's turn for a moment to the story on this subject written by the great investigative journalist and author familiar to SPECTRUM readers since our May 2002 front-page feature about him, Gordon Thomas. Gordon wrote this in January, 2002, titled "China Spies On America" and I am here quoting portions of that outstanding report:

A high-ranking Chinese defector to America with full access to Beijing's powerful Secret Intelligence Service (CSIS)—has revealed the most comprehensive ever details of China's spying operations against key economic and industrial targets in Britain.

State-of-the-market research and technology worth an estimated $14 billion pounds sterling has been stolen in the past three years since CSIS intensified its operations in Britain.

The defector, Colonel Xu Junping, was Director of Strategy in China's Defense Ministry. For the past 5 years he oversaw all secret operations by CSIS against the West.

Traditionally such a treasure trove of vital intelligence would be immediately shared with MI-5. But Washington has put a hold on sharing—to show its fury over the publication this week of Dame Stella Rimington's (of MI-5) memoirs, Open Secret.

Her decision to publish, against strong Government advice, has seriously damaged the longstanding and close ties between Washington and Britain's intelligence communities.

President Bush has personally endorsed his intelligence chief's decision not to provide Britain with revelations of China's secret penetration of this country.

Pointedly, Xu's other revelations about CSIS operations in Germany and France have been passed on to their intelligence services.

In the five months that Xu has been kept under wraps in a safe house deep in the countryside outside Washington—its perimeter guarded by crack-shot agents— the .slim, good-looking 44 year old defector has also provided invaluable insights about how much China knows:

• of MI-6 operations in the Far East.

• How China secretly contravened sanctions against Saddam to re-arm Iraq with nuclear weapons. Iraq now has a capability to produce long-range nuclear missiles.

• How China secretly helped Slobodan Milosevic during the Balkans War—and they didn't pick it up, but they don't know how big this story is.

• How a CSIS team flew to Belgrade, ready to whisk Milosevic to sanctuary in China, shortly before he was arrested and sent to The Hague War Crimes Tribunal.

• Even more alarming was Xu's revelation that Osama bin-Laden—to the U.S. "the grandmaster of terrorism"—has established contacts with CSIS.

"Our intelligence services operate on the principle that your enemies are our potential allies" Xu told his debriefers.

So important were some of Xu's revelations that U.S. National Security Adviser, Condolezza Rice, sat in on debriefings. She heard:

• Xu confirm CSIS plans to stage an escalating series of crises to help China become the new Superpower of the new Millennium.

• How CSIS is working hard to exploit Europe's growing problem with asylum seekers. Xu's predictions have now been included into a CIA report entitled Global Trends Up To 2015.

The Sunday Express has learned the report contains these chilling claims:

• CSTS will provide biochemical and small nuclear devices to terrorist groups to attack the United States and Britain.

• CSIS will increasingly support rogue states like Iraq and Iran. "On present calculations, with the help of China, both countries will have gone nuclear by the year 2005" says the report. The report is a grim precursor to the present economic slowdown.

• "CSIS will exploit the present economic stagnation that will reach its peak in the year 2015. All the indications are that there could be a major war by then. The main protagonists will be China and America. But Britain and NATO will inevitably be drawn in."

Now, back to the interview.]

Quayle: This guy is THE highest ranking defector in the history of defections. This is a "Gold Star" guy, it's that important, Rick.

Also, I believe that al-Qaeda and the Taliban have, basically, been sold nuclear weapons by different renegade members of the former Russian -military.

The positioning of specific nuclear weapons that were planted in this country during the Cold War, along with their detonation codes, and detonation sequences—remember, every nuclear weapon has a specific code that allows the weapon to be detonated. I believe some of those, not all of those, have already been transferred. I have reason to believe that the codes, the positions, and the weapons, have been sold.

So, trying to check for nuclear weapons after everything is already in this country is, in my opinion, a moot point. It's not that these are "missing". I want to make the point that they are DEPLOYED! They are not missing, unaccounted for, someplace in the world. They're accounted for; they're deployed; and unfortunately, I believe they're deployed IN THIS COUNTRY.

Martin: And you think al-Qaeda is a reasonable place to look?

Quayle: Yes, I do. And I believe this because they use euphemisms.

By the way, usually the Moslems don't lie. When I say "don't lie", it's one thing with deception and stuff, but the thing is, after the first World Trade Center bombing, they said that they would continue to go until it was gone. Even FEMA put out a manual, and it showed the World Trade Center with crosshairs RIGHT WHERE THE PLANES HIT! You can get that. I don't have it.

My computer melted down, literally burned-out, and I lost 9,000 emails, and all of my records.

Martin: Was that because of the Art Bell program?

Quayle: I think "The Boys" did it to me.

Martin: The Government did it to you?

Quayle: Somebody did it; I won't say the government. I'll say that somebody did it.

Martin: “The powers that be."

Quayle: "The powers that be."

Martin: Let's talk about Red Mercury. Is it real? There is a lot on the Internet on the subject, half of which says that it doesn't exist, that it is just a way for the government to entrap black-market nuclear suppliers. What is your understanding of Red Mercury?

Quayle: On Red Mercury, I interviewed some pretty seedy characters. I believe it's real. Mercury Antimony Oxide, it is a nuclear material. In other words, you don't just get mercury and mix it with antimony oxide, and get Red Mercury, do you follow me?

Martin: Yes, I do.

Quayle: It is a fissile material; that means it is generated in a nuclear reactor. The point is, when I, also, interviewed Sam Cohen, the inventor of the neutron bomb, when the book One Point Safe came out, that was about the Red Mercury phenomenon. I don't know if you've ever read the book.

Martin: No.

Quayle: But the gist of it is—when I interviewed Sam Cohen five times in radio interviews, the inventor of the neutron bomb, he maintains that it is real.

Martin: He maintains it's real?

Quayle: Yes.

Martin: Well. again, the reason I ask you is because, on the Internet, as you're probably aware, on primarily government websites, there's a lot of documentation saying it's a hoax, that it's a sting.

Quayle: That's their SPIN, OK?

Martin: What's the real story?

Quayle: The real story is: it exists. It's created in a reactor. Vladimir* Zhirinovsky, in some of his outlandish speeches, even made reference to it, one or two times. I've also interviewed some guys who dealt in that kind of stuff.

Let me give you a good example. I'm typing into my computer, online, Red Mercury, right now, on the AltaVista search engine. I don't know how much of this relates to what we're talking about. There was a band' or something, also, but on that name there are 183,648 links to websites with this phrase on it. And you get everybody in here from Abdu, to a lot of guys wanting to buy it.

It's interesting; most people just deny that it exists. But the point is that it is a highly fissile material. And the nice thing about it is that it provides for very small, subcompact detonations. This stuff is powerful!

Martin: Let me ask you about something else, too. The name of the satellite system that detects nuclear materials is called Milstar. Allegedly, it can detect high-velocity spin-off particles from enriched uranium, that shielding does not block. Now, the question is: Both for the larger nuclear weapons, as well as the suitcase nukes, can ALL of those be detected by Milstar, or only a portion of those?

Quayle: It's only a portion, as I understand it. Sam Cohen told me that wax, just paraffin, will absorb neutrons. Look, I don't have access to the top-secret code for it, but there is an electromagnetic, or what is called a photodeactivation—this is a real word—method of shielding it from being able to be picked-up. What that basically means, I'll make it simple. It allows the changing of the radioactive particles.

So, let's say this. There are numerous shielding techniques. A lot of them are top-secret; some are electromagnetic; but some of them are simple, like paraffin, and that I learned from Sam Cohen, again, the inventor of the neutron bomb.

Martin: What do you know about the softball-sized' two-megaton fusion bomb, the so-called s-megaton, micro-nuclear warhead that Iraq possesses.

Quayle: First of all, if they're submegaton, that means they're in the kiloton range. I think you said two megatons. I think you mean two kilotons?

Martin: The document I was reading from says two megatons.

Quayle: Then forgive me, I know nothing of that. You see, you can't have a sub-megaton weapon. Isn't that what they're talking about?

Martin: The exact phraseology here is: "softball-sized, two-megaton fusion bombs, so-called s-megaton micro-nuclear warheads".

Quayle: What that would be would be a derivation of the Mirv warhead technology, if it's in the megaton realm. Remember, Hiroshima was 14-18 kilotons. And there are a thousand kilotons to a megaton. That's why I'm stammering over your question. It's almost saying two diametrically opposed statements. If something is sub-megaton, it's less than a megaton; so it's in the kiloton range. If it is a two-megaton bomb, it would not be sub. Do you follow me?

Martin: Yes.

Quayle: It would be a two-megaton, softball-sized nuclear weapon.

Martin: So, s-megaton means "sub"?

Quayle: Yes.

Martin: Are you familiar with softball-fusion bombs?

Quayle: Yes. But everything that I know related to that is the Red Mercury style.

Martin: Are those so-called "dirty bombs"?

Quayle: No, they're not. Those are fissile weapons, ok? Fission takes place. A "dirty" weapon is conventional explosives, wrapped with radioactive materials like uranium, plutonium.

Martin: I see.

Quayle: When we're talking about Red Mercury, we're talking about actual nuclear—which means they have the process of fission taking place. A fusion bomb, by the way, is another way of saying thermonuclear, and that's usually reserved for hydrogen bombs. Does that make sense?

Martin: Yes, it does. I'm glad I asked you about that, because I was confused about it.

Quayle: And I'm confused, because I've never seen s-megaton. That's usually always referring to sub-megaton.

Let me share this with you. But put this down as rumor. What's rumor "out there" is that under Bill Clinton's administration—according to a nuclear physicist who is well aware of the defense industry—Clinton gave the Chinese, or actually saw to the transfer to the Chinese, what would be called our micro-miniaturized warheads, ok? That's the most TOP-SECRET thing we have, in our nuclear arsenal. So, IF it is in their possession, IF it is a two-megaton fusiontype weapon, then that IS state-of-the-art. The only place that Saddam Hussein could get that would be from the Chinese.

In a Mirv warhead, we went to smaller and smaller missiles, but more powerful warheads. The two-megaton warheads— if you've got, say, five of those sitting in the nosecone of an ICBM or a Tomahawk or whatever delivery system you're using—those would all be considered, if you will, micro-miniature warheads.

Martin: Let me read this to you. The headline is "The Balance Of Terror And The Red Mercury Nightmare", dated March 26, 2002, by J. R. Nyquist.

Quayle: I know Jeff Nyquist, he does his homework.

Martin: The second paragraph reads, quoting:

What the CIA director could not say, and perhaps what makes President George W. Bush so desperately eager to wipe out the regime of Saddam Hussein, is that Russia may have given Red Mercury fusion technology to Saddam. According to one of my sources, Iraq possesses "s-megaton" micro-nuclear warheads. These are softball-sized, two

megaton fusion bombs triggered by an irradiated and compressed compound of mercury antimony oxide. This device doubles the nuclear yield with a hundred-fold reduction of weight. Using heavy hydrogen instead of uranium or plutonium to fuel its explosive reaction, this hand-held nuclear weapon cannot be detected by U.S. sensors. End quoting.

Quayle: That is true, they cannot be detected.

Martin: So, is that an accurate paragraph?

Quayle: The only thing I would question is the fusion part of it, ok? Because, every time, and my source is Sam Cohen on this, every time we talked, it was never a thermonuclear reaction— that is, fusion is a hydrogen-type thing. If we're talking about deuterium, that's what heavy hydrogen is, then that makes me think it IS a fusion weapon. I'm not trying to play games, I'm just trying to understand the context of this. The only way Saddam could have gotten that is from the Chinese. I don't think the Russians would give it to him; the Chinese would.

To be safe, I should just say that Saddam could only get this from either the Russians or the Chinese.

You're talking about state-of-the-art nuclear weapons development; and talking about, still, our government's position, to this day, regarding Red Mercury, is that it doesn't exist. But I can tell you this: this whole change in the U.S. defense posture, and with us using our nuclear weapons to go after rogue states, is based on the premise that Red Mercury DOES exist. Does that help?

Martin: It helps a great deal.

Quayle: And let me say this: probably the guy who invented the neutron bomb—because the difference between a neutron bomb is that it kills by a high dosage of neutrons, where it doesn't blow-up, and produce fallout; it produces massive amounts of radiation that kills all living things, but doesn't touch the buildings and all that stuff.

What you're talking about is what I said about the Clinton years. The most top-secret, high-powered, microminiature warheads that we designed, were given to the Chinese.

Now, the Russians probably stole them from us before the Chinese. But I would say, knowing where Saddam's weapons development program is coming from, I'd guess the Chinese got them to him. But that's just speculation on my part.

Let me just add—and this isn't because this is a pet thing of mine—YOU'RE ONTO THE BIGGEST STORY

THERE IS!

Martin: Going on 7 years ago, I did a story that I called Depopulation Of A Planet [available online if you search under "depopulation"]. This was a multi-part, extensive series, on depopulation of the planet, using all of the research I could find, which was substantial. Also in the mid-'9Os, I did a series on the Gulf War Syndrome, as it was happening, also extensive. And I've been talking to Len for years, so it isn't like I'm just stumbling across this. But in this story, I'd like to frame it so that our readers can put it into some kind of context that won't completely freak them out.

Quayle: What you're doing in your investigative journalist role is, you're the "puzzle master". You've got an understanding the puzzle exists. I've given you pieces. Gordon's given you pieces. Len's given you pieces. I think you're going to be shocked, even with as much as you know, when you've tied together all the loose ends. I've tied it together in my mind. But what's going to be wonderful about what you're doing, you're going to be puking it out there for the people. And this story that you're writing, in my opinion, is the biggest story of history. When I say that, I mean of contemporary history.

And you're getting stuff from me that I don't think you could get from anybody else. And I get stuff from people that I couldn't get from anybody else. But you have the skill and ability, as a writer, to put it all together. And that's why I want to just tell you: I will whole-heartedly, and just unreservedly, co-operate with you.

Martin: Great.

Quayle: Now, to answer your question, specifically. I think we're going to have a simultaneous event of a biological release and multiple nukes, released in 34 cities.

Martin: Does the phrase "consequence assessment" come in here?

Quayle: Yes. Consequence assessment or CATS—consequence assessment tool set—is what the military uses to predict the outcome of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons detonations, within a given area. It factors in time of day, barometric pressure, humidity, clear day, cloudy day, all of the known effects.

Something no one talks about is, I've got to get this in: EMP or electromagnetic pulse. You can kiss communications goodbye, including radio and TV and the Internet, if these guys are detonating some of the preplaced strategic nuclear weapons. It was always thought that just one 25-megaton air-burst over Omaha would wipe it all out.

At the least-worse-case scenario, we're dealing with regional failure of all communications, because most civic communications, outside of FEMA, are not hardened for EMP.

So, that's a consequence that no one— especially the talking moron-heads on mainstream TV—has even factored-in. If a nuclear weapon is detonated' even a tactical nuclear weapon, there's a lot of electromagnetic pulse generated.

Martin: If there are several nuclear bombs exploded at once, and a biological release, essentially society as we know it comes to a grinding halt.

Quayle: Exactly.

Martin: So, we're back to a tribal society.

Quayle: What you'll go into is neotribalism, and that's a good word. The word tribe scares people, but basically, people who have a commonality of beliefs or a commonality of interests will pursue those commonalities and will band together. And it will kind-of be like—what was the name of that gang movie? Young Warriors or something like that. What will happen is, people will become localized. Fortunately, in communities with strong moral values, they can keep their continuity together. But I doubt that you're going to be able to keep the continuity of life together in, say, Newark, New Jersey.

Martin: Well, let's say if all communication goes down, and all media goes down, the economy will be crippled. So, let's say, automatically, there will be no money, and no communication.

Quayle: Everything will revert to barter.

Martin: It gets basic, real quick.

Quayle: A good portal into the future is watching what's happening to Argentina. The people have been locked-out of the banks. They have no money. So, people who know how to do things are trading their services for goods, and their goods for services. And that's why people have got to be thinking: What will they have that people want? Certainly CDs, records, and luxury items will not be high on the list; but what will be a priority are: toilet paper, food; obviously food will be number one.

Martin: Seed.

Quayle: Seed, water, water filtration, solar, solar-power. Self-defense is a big issue, too. And, obviously, I'm not a pacifist. And I recommend that every woman who is aware of what's going on, becomes proficient with a handgun, and is trained at an indoor range or something. By the way, women who are trained, historically, shoot better than men who think they're trained. A woman who is trained is a better shot than a man who thinks he's Wyatt Earp. I've watched it. I've owned indoor shooting ranges.

Martin: How effective do you think the Government's ability will be to disarm the population, if those scenarios came down?

Quayle: I don't think they want to. I think the "threat" of disarming is there. I think the bottom line is—and when I say "the Government", I call them "the Shadow Masters of the Global Puppet Masters".

Martin: Let's call them "the Shadow Government".

Quayle: Let's use that. I think the Shadow Government is using that as a threat, but when they've got the biologicals, it's a moot point to take away a gun when everyone is dead because of a genetically-altered form of a virus or bacteria.

It's like the Spanish Flu in 1918. These morons have dug-up cadavers and recultured the active pathogen of the Spanish Flu that killed 20 million people!

So, let me say this: When Solomon said: "There's nothing new under the Sun" even the stuff these guys are doing, there's just nothing new. These people, they absolutely have contempt for human beings.

Martin: I get so mad when I think about this stuff.

Quayle: It's really psychologically devastating.

Martin: Yes, it's paralyzing.

Quayle: Right. And that's what I'm trying to do. The purpose of me telling the stuff I tell, day-in and day-out, on the radio programs, and on my website, is to HELP PEOPLE BECOME VICTORS, NOT VICTIMS. The thing they've got to realize is, they can count on no one. And in the time of panic, they've got to have all their ducks lined-up.

Martin: Gordon Thomas is accurate, I'm sure, when he says: "Every day from 9/11 is one day closer to the next one."

Quayle: He's absolutely accurate, and in my opinion—and I have to tell you, I read thousands and thousands of articles from around the world in a given year. I probably read 50-60 articles, from different world papers, a day, and that's a lot. But the bottom-line is, I think Gordon is one of the most succinct—and when I say this, he's got a reality-base of the world, and I find him incredibly accurate.

Martin: I do, too.

Quayle: I've got to tell you, his article on Junping was fabulous, and everyone missed it.

Martin: Any closing statement that puts—

Quayle: Some hope into the equation?

Martin:: Yes.

Quayle: First of all, they're not going to succeed, ok? And I want you to know that. All of their plans, and all of their schemes, are not going to succeed.

Number two, people can take their lives back from being just canon-fodder, if they will make an effort, first of all, to learn everything they can about biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. If they prepare, accordingly, with emergency supplies, they're not going to be victims, and they're not going to have to go out into harm's way, to acquire what they got prior to harm's way. Do you follow what I'm saying?

Martin: Yes, I do.

Quayle: In other words, if you've got groceries, Rick, you don't have to go down to Ralph's, and stand in line with everybody, when they begin to riot.

The other thing is, I really believe with all my heart that people are going to have to recognize that there is a supernatural Evil out there. And the only way to defeat supernatural Evil, in my opinion, is with supernatural Good. And I believe that the Bible is the only book in the world. I'm not trying to get preachy; but I don't apologize for my faith, either.

If you read the 91st Psalm, it talks about the plagues. Here's the deal: We're coming up against things that are so overwhelming that only, in my opinion, the Living God, who is above and beyond all that is overwhelming us, can deliver us from it. I believe we do everything we can do. We do the possible, and then we believe, by faith, that God will do the impossible.

And I fought with the Special Forces— that's not physically, but verbally—with the guys who put out the Special Forces Underground publication, and he told me I was appealing to some nameless diety.

Martin: That's the only hope there is.

Quayle: And I said, I want to tell you something: General Montgomery, when he was kneeling in the desert sands in the battle of Al Alaman and there was no human or natural possibility that they could win, he bowed in the sand, he had all of his men bow, and they prayed. He said this, it's a classic statement. He said: "Let us ask the Lord, who is mighty in battle, to give us the victory." And here's a man, you read the historic accounts of him, Montgomery was no pushover.

Martin: And George Washington did the same.

Quayle: He did the same. So, I'm telling people that an active faith in the Living God, in my opinion, will be critical, crucial, the ultimate place of retreat. And then, you can quote me, referring people to Psalm 91.

Martin: If it wasn't for God's presence in this scenario, it would be—

Quayle: Hopeless.

Martin: It would be bleak.

Quayle: As a Christian, I wouldn't shoot myself. But for someone who has no hope, and is looking at this, I can see why people become, back to your word, Rick, paralyzed, because it is overwhelming.

The best way to deal with this is, you've got to take this in the bites that you can.

And this is where your skill comes in. If, again, you weave in that, look, if you're not being told this in the main-stream press, then obviously the main-stream is not the place to look for truth. And as you apply yourself to knowledge, and get a, if you will, backbone of understanding, that backbone of understanding can propel you to take the actions that can get you and your loved ones out of harm's way.

Martin: I've been involved in journalism for a while now [12 years], and the danger comes when, say, 10 years ago I was writing about "store food" and "store seed" and "do what you need to, to be ready"—it's almost like crying fire in a crowded theater. If you do that enough times and nothing happens, then people think: "Well, it's a safe world."

And yet, it's not a safe world, and those recommendations were good then, and they're still good. And if you buy insurance for your car, health insurance, and life insurance, consider it insurance. And it's a write-off. How wrong can you go by preparing? There's absolutely nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

Quayle: If people will spend—let's take life insurance. You have to die to collect. What I'm proposing is life assurance; you get to live and benefit.

Martin: Excellent phrase.

Quayle: Ok?

Martin: Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with our readers. What you have shared with us will be much appreciated.

“Interview With Author Steve Quayle”
The Spectrum
August 2002; Volume 4, Number 2; pages 47 - 58